Interview
With Mike Dowling
Guitarist/Singer/Songwriter
"by Paul Kucharski"
Jan. 2000
Rhythmic
and imaginative, sensitive and subtle, superpicker Mike Dowling is a master
of American roots guitar. Firmly grounded in authenticity and
possessed of a musical soul as old as the vintage instruments he favors,
Mike is capturing the hearts of acoustic music fans worldwide with his
engaging voice, self-deprecating wit, and elegant interpretations of an
arsenal of old blues, swing, ragtime and original tunes. Fluent in
several styles, difficult to pigeonhole, Mike has recorded with artists as
diverse as House of Bluesman Paul Black and film star Madeline Kahn.
He’s worked with such outstanding players as Jethro Burns, jazz great
Joe Venuti, and master fiddler Vassar Clements, including session work on
Clements’ grammy-winning Nashville Jam.
Mike’s own recordings
include the critically
acclaimed Beats Workin’, recorded in Nashville in 1991 with a band
of pickers that featured Vassar Clements on fiddle; Swamp Dog Blues, his
solo acoustic CD released in 1995; and Live at the Cafe Carpe, recorded in
1996 with Mike’s long-time friend and sometime jazz fiddle playing
partner, Randy Sabien.
Long a favorite of
bluegrass and acoustic players in Nashville, Tennessee, multi-talented
Mike has had songs recorded by such artists as Emmy Lou Harris, Kathy
Mattea, Tim O’Brien, and bluegrass songstress Claire Lynch. Often
co- writing with his wife and partner, Jan Dowling, Mike’s songs have
been performed on the Grand Ole Opry, Prairie Home Companion, TNN, and
television’s Northern Exposure. He’s had a #1 hit with Canadian
country star George Fox’s version of “Fell In Love/Can’t Get Out”,
and his tune “Backtrackin’”, recorded by the Nashville Bluegrass
Band on their grammy- winning Waiting for the Hard Times To Go album, was
nominated Bluegrass Song of the Year in 1994 by the International
Bluegrass Music Association. 
After ten successful years
in Nashville, Mike moved in the fall of 1996 to a new home in the
mountains of northwestern Wyoming where he has opened Wind River Guitar, a
unique live-in school he and Jan operate out of their wilderness home.
Mike continues to write and record and maintains a busy tour schedule, playing concerts
and festivals in the U.S. and Europe and teaching at a variety of camps
and clinics throughout the country.
Before we get
into the usual biographical details, tell us about your new CD, "Live
at the Cafe Carpe" with Randy Sabien. What inspired this
project? Randy Sabien is an outstanding musician in his own right,
how did you two get together?
"Live at the Cafe Carpe" was
recorded in 1996 so it's not so new anymore. I've got three projects
in the works, or at least in my head, at the moment so I hope to have a
couple of new CDs available by spring or early summer. But
Randy and I met in the early 80's in Madison, Wisconsin where I was living
at the time. He had just moved to Wisconsin and we share a love of
the same kind of music. He also loves to fish and we've been friends
ever since. "Live
at the Cafe Carpe" was actually my wife Jan’s idea. Jan
is my business partner, co-producer, co-writer, etc. and she thought Randy
and I needed something that would represent the occasional gig we still
play together.
Your
solo CD Swamp Dog Blues has been rated very highly and
has some outstanding slide guitar work. How did you decide which
songs to include on this CD?
Again, Jan and I co-produced Swamp
Dog. The first recording I did under my own name was "Beats
Workin'" and we had some good players from Nashville help out on that
one, Vassar played, and Paul Anastasio, Mark Schatz, Bob Hoban. That
was a lot of fun but it represented a band that I couldn't take out with
me on the road. So when I began to play out more and more as a
solo artist we felt I needed a CD that would reflect my solo performances.
Our original thought was to do a CD we could put in a promo
package to showcase my versatility so the tunes were selected with that in
mind. One of my favorite things to do is to take an old tune,
in some cases a real old tune ('Rosalie' was written in the mid 1800's)
and arrange it for guitar or my style of playing guitar and I did a lot of
that on Swamp Dog Blues.
Your
first CD, Beats Workin was done with the great
fiddler Vassar Clements. What was it like working with Vassar and
the other Nashville players on this project?
Vassar is just great. He’s so musical and
so identifiable. I met Vassar back in 1973 while I was still
living in Wisconsin. I was playing with a band called 'Home
Cooking" out of Milwaukee and he heard me and I did some side work
with him when he would come to the state. As a result of that,
he hired me for a touring band he was putting together and I moved to
Nashville for the first time in the mid-70's. This was Vassar's
first touring band and I did that gig for about a year, traveling the
country in the band bus. I also did some recording with him
and one of those albums, Nashville Jam, was nominated for a grammy. The
other players on Beats Workin’ are friends of mine also. That's the best
thing about living in Nashville, having access to so many great musicians.
Who or what
events inspired you to play the guitar? Was music a part of your
household when growing up? How old were you when you began to play?
I started playing guitar when I was about
twelve. I had taken piano before that and didn't like
it. Then my dad had me take a few guitar lessons but I didn't like
what the teacher had me doing. I came back to the guitar on my
own when I heard groups like the Ventures and Les Paul and Mary
Ford. That was all the inspiration I needed to start teaching myself
and I just took off from there.
Do
you feel that your starting age is a critical factor in playing your
style?
I don't think age is necessarily a critical
factor for developing style, but I do think it's easier to learn if you
find your passion at an age when you've got the time to pursue
it. And my folks were very supportive. My dad was
teaching college in Stevens Point, Wisconsin where I grew up and he was
not so subtle about bringing his guitar-playing students over to the
house.
Any formal
music training?
Just the few lessons I mentioned earlier
when I was a kid which I quickly abandoned. I'm pretty much
self taught. I did have the opportunity to spend some time with
the great jazz guitarist, George Barnes, out in San Francisco shortly
before he died. I had already been playing professionally for a
number of years but that was a great experience and I still have those
lessons on tape.
What
styles interested you when you first began to play? How do those
early preferences influence your current music?
As I said, my folks had some Les Paul and
Chet Atkins records around the house and I guess that was my earliest
inspiration. When I heard guitar played like that I knew what
I wanted to do.
Any teachers or
method books of note? How about influential artists?
I mentioned how fortunate I feel to have
spent time with George Barnes. He was an amazing player who never quite got the
popular recognition he deserved and I often tell my students to get hold
of his recordings. As far as influences, people like Mississippi
John Hurt, Oscar Aleman, early Tampa Red, and Lonnie Johnson. I
love the raw purity of that music.
You were a
Nashville session player for 10 years. What was that like? Any
advice for aspiring guitarists who would like to do that?
Well, I did some sessions while I
lived in Nashville but I wouldn't call myself a 'session
player'. That's a very exclusive club and most of the guys who
do that work regularly have devoted their careers to just that one
thing. They're very focused. There's an unspoken
rule in Nashville that if you want session work you never leave
town. You have to stay visible, available and up to date at all
times and I never pursued that seriously because I was interested in too
many other things. It was while I lived in Nashville the second
time that I started playing out as a solo.
My friend Buddy Spicher tells a
great story about Nashville session work and Buddy was THE fiddle player
in town for a long time. The story goes like this, "Who's
Buddy Spicher?" "Get me Buddy Spicher" "Get me someone
who sounds like Buddy Spicher" "Who's Buddy Spicher?" I
actually had the most fun doing sessions in Chicago when I had the
opportunity to work with Joe Venuti and Jethro Burns. That was back
in the 70's.
What musical
avenues do you wish to explore in the future?
Jan and I are living where we want
to be now. We left Nashville in 1996 for a little cowboy town
in northwestern Wyoming. We bought a cabin we’ve remodeled in
the mountains surrounded by trout streams and wilderness and since I've
always done a lot of teaching we started taking guitar students into our
home for a week at a time. We call our business Wind River
Guitar and it's really starting to take off. We're getting
inquiries now from people all over the world. I teach at home
when I'm available and of course I continue to record and
tour.
I was invited to play in Japan a
couple of years ago, went to Europe twice this year, and I'll be going to
England in May. We sometimes marvel that I'm busier since we
left Tennessee than I ever was in Nashville and I expect things will only
get better. I've been playing guitar all my life, but it’s
only been a few years that I’ve been performing as a solo artist so the
word is still getting out.
As far as the future, I want to
produce more instructional materials. I'm putting a book of my
own tunes together, writing some articles, and I want to do another
instructional video. And I'm always writing music for the guitar.
What
keeps you interested in the music business?
Music is what I do, it's what I am and I
will always play the guitar. That's a given. As far as the
business end of it and being able to make a living at it I have to give a
large part of the credit to Jan. She's the practical one who
has a knack for putting it all together. When we decided it was
time to leave Nashville we bought ourselves a cabin in the Rocky Mountains
eighty miles from the nearest airport and no music resources in
sight. She said "trust me", and I did. And
it's been great.
Have you ever
had to weather a creative dry spell in your playing or composition?
How do you overcome writer's block?
When Jan and I were in Nashville we started
writing songs together, we tried our hands at it because that seemed to be
what people did in Nashville. It's such a songwriters mecca.
And we had some success with it, but now that we're out of that community
we've stopped writing together, at least for now, because we really don't
have time for it these days. So I guess you could call that a
dry spell, although one of the tunes we wrote just before we left
Tennessee was recorded by the Del McCoury band last year and is currently
on the bluegrass charts. I'm concentrating more these days on
instrumental music for the guitar and when I have the time to sit down
with it I don't really have a problem with writer's block. Lyrics
can be a different thing, of course, but that's not my primary focus.
Some of your
original tunes were written with your wife Jan, what role does she play in
your song writing?
Jan's a great writer. She's doesn't
play music but she has a good ear and wonderful instincts so it's easy for
her to collaborate with me lyrically. She doesn't always get the
credit she deserves for the work that she does because she's not a
musician, but she's responsible for a lot of the music I've done.
Your music is
pretty stylistically diverse, which of your albums would you recommend to
someone buying one of your recordings for the first time?
That's a hard one to answer because the
three recordings I've done under my own name are each a little
different. Beats Workin' has the
Nashville band, "Swamp Dog" is
just me and "Live at the Cafe Carpe" is the acoustic trio
live. But the music is pretty much the same mix of blues, swing,
ragtime and the occasional original so I guess it would depend upon the
musical configuration a listener is looking for. The project I'm
currently working on will be different still. I'll do the recording by
myself so it'll be essentially solo, but I'm going to overdub additional
guitar parts on some of the tunes.
Career
high/low?
I don't know if I've had a low. I've
been fortunate to be able to make a living playing the guitar for most of
my life so even when the income was marginal and I wasn't sure where the
next gig was coming from I was still happy doing what I love. And
the highs are still coming. I've been playing solo now for about
five years and connecting with an audience who is really listening to my
music and showing me that they appreciate it is surely one of those highs.
Current
activities and tour schedule?
Jan and I have been busy nonstop this year
from April through November with students and traveling and we've just now
got some time to ourselves to work on new projects. I've got some
gigs in the area over the winter but I'll mainly be concentrating on
writing and recording over the next few months until it starts to get
crazy again in spring.
Short term/long
term personal goals?
Just to do what I’m doing, and more of it.
Aside from the
guitar, what do you do for fun?
Well, Jan and I chose to live where we do
because we love the wilderness and we love the West. When we have
free time, which isn’t often, we're likely to be out in the woods or on
a trout stream. I do as much fishing as I have time for. There’s
so much good water out here it would take a lifetime to learn it.
And Jan loves horses. We're not home enough to have our own horses
yet, but since moving out here we've hooked up with an outfitter friend of
ours who runs wilderness horsepacking trips out of Dubois. We worked
three trips for him last summer and plan to do a couple next year if our
schedule permits. It's been my first experience with horses and
although it's really hard work we both love it and it gets us into some
really wild country we'd never see otherwise.
Other creative
endeavors?
I have a small guitar repair shop at home
and restoring my own guitars is a sideline I enjoy. Most of the old
guitars I come upon need considerable tweaking to get them to play right
and it’s very rewarding to be able to do that myself.
Which artists
would you most like to collaborate with in a recording or tour?
Since I think of myself as a solo performer
these days nobody really comes to mind. But I certainly wouldn’t
turn down proposals from players like Johnny Gimble, David Grisman, or
Doc.
You run a
guitar school out of your home in Wyoming. How did that come about
and how do you structure these sessions? Where can someone get
information on your school?
We believe our school, which we call Wind River Guitar, is
unique in the world of guitar instruction. There are a lot of camps
and workshops out there, and I teach at some of them, but we offer
something different in that students stay with us in our home for a week
at a time and the instruction is very personalized and pretty much
unlimited. Students who come to stay with us can structure the
experience however they want. We find that some people want to have
a guitar in their hands all week, while others want to combine instruction
with some recreation in our mountains. People can reach me
through my website www.mikedowling.com
and we'll be happy to send them a brochure.
You also do
Guitar Workshops and Guitar Camps pretty regularly. What do you have
coming up in the near future?
I've done a guitar camp in North Dakota for the past three years which Jan and I put together with John
Andrus who runs the Missouri River Bluegrass and Oldtime Music
Festival. I've played the festival for John a couple of times and as
a result of that he asked me if I wanted to put together a guitar camp in
that part of the country and of course I said yes and Jan did most of the
work. It's been a lot of fun getting this thing off the ground
and now we're at the point where we can bring in additional instructors
and offer fiddle and mandolin in addition to guitar. We hold this
camp at a state park north of Bismarck and we're able to keep the cost
down to a very reasonable $290 for five full days of instruction.
I'll also be back for a third time teaching at a good three-day guitar
camp in St. George Utah in June, and at the Augusta Heritage Center in
Elkins, West Virginia for "Swing Week"
in July. Anyone wanting more information on any of these can contact me or through the website.
You have some
great instructional videos out (one of
which is reviewed on this site), tell me about those? What level
of player should consider these?
Well, I appreciate the kind words. I
did the bottleneck video first and
that came about because I was getting so much interest in my style of
bottleneck playing which is different from the more familiar Delta
style. I use the bottleneck more as accompaniment (rather than
focus) to the Piedmont style of alternating thumb fingerpicking that I
love. And since I wear the bottleneck on my ring finger, which is a
little unusual, people are always asking me about that. Now I can
just tell them to check out the video. That one is two hours
long and I cover a lot of material, though I start slowly, pretty much
with the basics, and add more difficult work as the viewer gets into
it. I tried to target that to a player coming from standard
guitar, like I did, who knows how to play but is new to slide and open
tunings, or to the slide player who wants to combine fingerpicking with
the bottleneck.
The swing video came about also because I
had so much interest in one. There are a zillion instructional
videos out there now but not much that I could find on swing guitar so I
made my own. I started with rhythm guitar and I plan to do another
on swing solos and improvisational techniques.
Any particular
teaching/learning techniques, such as maintaining a log of practice time?
My only advice is to play, play, play, as
much as you can. And play with other musicians if you have the
opportunity. It’s also good to learn how to read chord charts and
lead sheets and know enough theory so you’re able to understand and
explain what you’re doing to someone who might ask.
Any advice to
beginning musicians?
Don't be discouraged. I sometimes hear
people say that they went to hear so-and-so and now they want to throw
their guitar away. I’ve never understood that. What they don’t
realize is that so-and-so might have spent a lifetime developing his
talent. So I encourage my students to take inspiration from the
people they admire and use that for motivation. That’s what I
do. And remember that you’re never too old to learn, or to
improve. A lot of my students are in their fifties and they
might have played some guitar in college but they're just now finding the
time to get back to it.
Ideas about
professional management. Pros and cons of managing ones own
performing career, or forming an independent recording company.
Jan and I manage our own business and so far
it's worked well for us. Because of the school here at home we need
to keep control of our calendar. I'm fortunate in that I make my
living in the music business but I'm diverse enough not to have to rely on
any one aspect of it. I perform and tour, yes, but I also record,
write, teach and even repair guitars. Since performance is just one
aspect of my career I don't feel the need for professional
management. I’m just not so frantic to be out there touring all
the time. I would much rather travel to one or two good concerts or
festivals than try to string a bunch of smaller gigs together. I
just don't have the time for that.
As far as my recordings, Beats Workin and
Swamp Dog have in the past been manufactured and distributed by a small
indie label in Europe but Jan and I are in the process of getting them
back. By the end of next year we'll have the three I have out
currently, plus two new CDs out under our own label. It used to be
that if people were putting out their own recordings it sort of implied
they couldn’t get a "real" label interested. Now it
seems to be swinging the other way. Anybody can make a CD
these days, get it into distribution and even get airplay. The
mystery has been taken out of the recording business and more and more
people are keeping control of their own products.
How can one
best prepare for making a living with the guitar?
I can only speak from my experience, but I
would say versatility certainly helps. I would think that limiting
oneself to just one aspect of the guitar, whether that's performing,
teaching, writing, or even recording would make it more difficult.
It certainly would for me. Plus I'd get bored doing just one thing
even if I did it really well. I love the diversity of my life and
yet everything I do is guitar-related. Even those horsepacking trips
we do I take my guitar along and play for the dudes around the campfire at
night.
Any advice to
young performers just breaking into the industry?
Do what you love because you love it.
Don’t do it expecting money or fame. Do it from the heart and do
it well and some measure of success will come your way.
You play in a
few open tunings. How do you decide which one to use on a given
piece?
Different tunings have different
qualities. I look at how one or another tuning fits my vocal range
or how best I can play my melodic ideas. I also think about
the harmonic range and the general feel of the tune. If the tune in
question was originally played in an open tuning I’ll most likely stick
to that tuning, with maybe a few exceptions. But if you’re talking
about arranging something that was not originally played in an open
tuning, like Deep River Blues, I’ll choose a tuning that gives me the
same kind of tonality, like D.
What are your
technical strengths and weaknesses?
That’s a tough one. One of my
greatest strengths may be my versatility and I would say that that derives
from the opportunities I’ve had over the years to play all kinds of
music in all kinds of musical situations, from bluegrass dobro to
"Dixieland" guitar to electric blues, rock ‘n roll, and
jazz. I was fortunate even at a young age to be able to get real
"hands-on" experience in different musical styles in different
musical genres with some really good players. And I’ve always been
eager to understand or be able to explain in musical terms what it is I’m
doing so that natural curiosity I have has probably served to make me a
better teacher as well as a better player.
My experience as a band leader and an
arranger is probably another strength. It taught me how to
communicate with fellow musicians, whether they’re old-timey or jazz
players, in all kinds of situations. I’d say I’ve been very
fortunate in my career to have had associations with really great
musicians, some famous and some not, but I’ve learned something from
every one of them and I’ve been able to draw upon their diversity to
enrich my own music.
The notion of weaknesses is
interesting. I used to think that not being able to play real fast
would be a weakness for a guitar player. Now I don’t even
consider it. Instead I think about melody and feel and
balance. I used to think that not being a good sight reader
(and I am a little weak there) would be a hindrance for a guitar
player. Although I’d never presume to describe that as a weakness
in another musician I’ve been less able to cut myself some slack in that
regard.
Do you read
music? What's your opinion of tab vs. notation?
Yes, I read music, and I like to use tab
when I teach to sort of sketch things out for my students. Tab has
one drawback, however, when it comes to writing note values for
fingerstyle guitar in that the tab page becomes quickly cluttered.
What do you do
to keep your repertoire fresh-sounding?
Well, first of all I play in a variety of
styles on a variety of guitars and I think that goes a long way to keeping
the music interesting, for me as well as my audience. I also
like to think I have enough respect for the progenitors of the various
genres to keep the tunes compartmentalized musically so the songs in my
repertoire don’t end up all sounding the same. One thing I might
do to keep a particular song fresh is to try it in a different key or a
different tuning from time to time. I might do something like
Mississippi John’s "Louis Collins" in open D while still
trying to maintain the nuances of the original tune. And
whether it’s my tune or something I’ve arranged, I rarely play a piece
the same way twice. That would become boring for me and it would
show itself in my performance. So even if it’s just a subtle
variation I’m always looking for something just a little bit different
or challenging that I can do to keep things interesting.
Describe your
practice routine.
I don’t really have a routine, though most
days I’ve got a guitar in my hands. If I have a concert coming up
I like to run through a little of everything before the show.
Otherwise I’m just playing whatever it is I’m working on at the
moment. I keep several guitars around in different tunings and
whatever I’m working on at the moment determines the guitar I
use. One thing that works for me if I really need to ‘warm-up’
is to play along with a good swing recording, improvising lines, or just
playing something like "Bill Bailey" by myself as if there were
a good rhythm section behind me. I’ve always preferred that
to playing scales or arpeggios.
You play
fingerstyle on steel strings and I notice you sometimes use fingerpicks
and a thumb pick. What advantages or disadvantages are there
in using fingerpicks and how do you decide when to use them? What
brands and models of guitars/strings/amps/recording equipment do you use?
I used to hate fingerpicks but I made myself
learn to use them and now I feel comfortable with them on. Playing
solo on stage really gives a player an idea of what’s needed gear-wise
to get your music across, and that includes fingerpicks. If I'm
playing a slow tune in a quiet room I may not use any picks at all so it
really depends on the situation. Picks give you more volume and
attack and it’s good to be able to call upon that when you need
it.
On stage I use National, Gibson and Martin
guitars. One of my Nationals is a 1936 Style O in D
tuning. I also play a 1932 El Trovador National I usually keep in
G. My flat top is a J185 re-issue and I occasionally play my 1949
Gibson ES-150 or my 1952 ES-350, through a 1964 Deluxe reverb for jazzier
situations or a 1956 Tweed Pro. I have an old prewar Dobro and a
Gibson EH-150 lap steel for certain band situations as well. I
use Elixir strings, medium acoustic plus a .015 and an .018 for open
tunings. My 150 and 350 take the electric .052 to .012 electric
set. I tend to be very hard on strings, bending and using lots of
damping and I find I get a lot of mileage out of the Elixirs.
As for recording gear I think good mics and
a good engineer are most important. I try to use instruments that
have inherently good balanced tone so as not to require any extra
EQ. A little compression going to tape and no limiters, with the
possible exception of a Fairchild for warmth. I’m a pretty bare
bones player and it’s the same on stage. I like as little between
me and the amp as possible. I’ve installed simple pickups in my
resonator guitars to give me extra volume and tone when I need it.
Nothing beats a good mic in my opinion, but even the best stage mic needs
a little reinforcement from time to time.
You're a real
fan of vintage instruments and even like to restore them yourself.
How did you come across your old National and what was it like restoring
it back to playing condition?
Well, my 1936 Style O came to me as a bag of
parts. It had been in a fire and needed to be completely
rebuilt. I made an ebony fingerboard for it with a little extra
radius and compensated the saddle, etc. I put a lot of hours into it
but now it’s a great sounding guitar.
Which acoustic
pickup, pre-amp, EQ, amplifier? What microphone setup do you favor
for solo guitar recording?
I have a Bill Lawrence sound hole pickup,
the one with a volume control. Also a little Fishman pre-amp I use
sometimes. I prefer to record with two microphones for a bigger
sound and more options in mixing.
To what extent
have you explored guitar technology, acoustic pickups, amplification of
the acoustic guitar, pedals and effects, software, MIDI guitar etc.?
I’m really not much of a tech head and I
surely need to get more proficient on the computer so I can do my own
transcriptions and get myself set up with a MIDI, etc. Jan could
tell you I can barely turn the computer on at the moment. As far as
acoustic pickups I find them a little artificial sounding. I combine
my Bill Lawrence with a good mic to get the best results. But I’m
an optimist and I’m always on the lookout for a good pickup. Lindy
Fralin built me a nice low profile pickup for my El Trovador. I use
a digital delay pedal and the reverb/vibrato foot switch on my
deluxe. That’s about it for special effects.
Mike's
Music Camps
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Greater Yellowstone Music Camp
Mike's
Books and DVDs
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the review on this site
Mike's Homespun Video's
Mike
Dowling, Bottleneck Blues and Beyond
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Mike
Dowling: Swing Guitar Series
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Mike's CDs
Bottomlands
Two
Of A Kind: Mike Dowling & Pat Donohue
String Crazy
Live At The Cafe Carpe
Swamp Dog Blues
Beats Workin'
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